Just change your face if it gets leaked, duh.

Yep. I’m from southern europe.

And for what it’s worth the lecture was indeed interesting. And I learned about the relationships of African American hair saloons, black culture and racism. I had some sense of it based on classic movies, but this roots the knowledge about the topic further down.

And it’s true that I genuinely believed that that kind of “segregation” (is that right?) of black people going to black saloons and white people going to white saloons was a thing of the sixties. And that nowadays it wasn’t like that. But I stand corrected on that if you said that it’s still an issue. Here there has been always a lot of saloons with PoC owners or workers as it is a typical migrant job, so I’ve never seen that reality, or if it does happen I’m not conscious of it.

I’m very sorry if it looked like that. Racism is a valid concern, obviously. I’m just saying that’s not the only concern, not even for black people, or people of any race.

And that in the context of hair loss I would bet that racism is not the primary concern that pops when it happens. And that’s beautiful, because that’s something that ties many people together across races. Feeling bad when we notice our hair falls. And most of us feel bad not because that “hair saloon community thing”, I don’t know how many black people have that specify grievance about going bald. But what I’ve have always seen people of all races and colours complain about is the vanity thing, just the simple fact of wanting to have hair up there. Something that makes us all humans.

I specifically complained that while the “attack” was on white people. And only after the attack an argument was presented that only covered something that affected African Americans. I would have never said a thing if the original comment was “Black people fells this a lot because they also may loose the sense of belonging to a traditional African American space that protected them against racism”. That’s 100% real and valid. But the original comment was way different, wasn’t it?

There may be a misunderstanding here then. I may have expressed myself wrong. My point never was to underestimate the importance or cultural background of African American barbershops. Neither to confront the roots of racism that created that necessity. I agree with all that.

My only point is that it doesn’t invalidate the importance that hair and hair saloons has for other people (for different reasons each). All in reference to a comment that said something on the line that white people’s (and only white people’s specifically) pain over looking old because balding is invalid.

What we are definitely not arguing about is about the necessity of barbershops that know how to cut black’s people hair. I’m not arguing about it. If a place have population with that type of hair there needs to be barbershops that know how to cut it.

It doesn’t relate with white people, specifically white people, not being allowed to feel bad for balding because it makes them look old.

And I’m 100 percent going to concede that’s a political thing and a community thing. It’s true, it’s a logical statement. That for some black people their hair saloon have a particular relevance that’s unique to them.

But I still say:

It’s not a race thing. As it’s not universal along black people all over the world. Black people from many countries, that still suffer a fuck ton of racisms, doesn’t have that cultural context. It’s not the primarily reason black people feel bad about losing their hair. First, because loosing your hair doesn’t mean you stop going to the barber. You are still going to get shaved. Second, because most black people feel bad about loosing their hair for the same vanity reasons as white people. Because they make them look a way they don’t want to look like. This discussion started not by saying “black people can feel bad about losing their hair because this community thing”… no… it started by saying “white people cannot feel bad loosing their hair if it’s because they look old”. While you may have provided some reasons on why a black person could have an additional reason to feel bad for going bald nothing has been said about the thousands of different races and identities that are neither black or white. The original argument was a criticism towards white people, they you trid to shift the discussion towards a excuse on why black people are allowed to feel bad for balding. Let’s forget about black people. Tell me about asians, tell me about latin-americans, tell me about romanies. When they said that “white people it’s not justified to feel bad” they should have provided arguments on why specifically white people cannot feel bad for it. Instead of providing a (bad) argument on why one of the thousands ethnicities that exist on earth may have an excuse to feel bad about balding.

I do not concede that the community bonding that white people form with their hair saloons is less important that the bonding form by black people. It may not be a political bonding, it may not be a bond that has roots on racisms. But it’s still a bond, and humans are hurt when bonds are broken. A bond being political or root on racism is not “more important” than a bond created for other reasons. If they separate you from people you love or a place you belong is going to hurt all the same.

At some point it’s just fucking sad that’s actually pretty universal and bonding between races, as is it “going bald makes you feel like shit” has been tried to be transformed into “this particular race cannot share this feeling because fuck them apparently”.

It’s pretty insensitive and fucking racist not respecting how anyone choose to identify. Fucking disgusting. I’m done here. Goodbye for good. You are NO ONE to tell me with which ethic label should I identify.

And that’s where I fundamentally disagree. And what I do think we could not agree.

You said that black people (and supposedly all other ethnicities but white for some “absolutely-non-racist” reason), have something defined by their race that makes them lose something when they lose their hair that white people doesn’t have.

You said that black people lose a sense of community when they go bald because hair saloons are more important to them because of their race. I do not agree with this, as I know that hair saloons have not that “black community” meaning to all black people, and that many white people have that “community” feeling for their hair saloons. Bonding with other human beings in a hair saloon is not a race specific condition. And pointing out that while you outed white people for some “not-racist” reason you where unable to find more examples of not white people that lose something fundamentally related to their race that white people do not lose when they go bald.

Going even further I would say that you are not even doing a favour to black people here. As I’m pretty sure that plenty of balding black people are suffering not because they “loose their saloon community”, they suffer because they like their hair, they like how they look with hair, they believe that hair makes them look younger and more attractive, and they don’t stop being black for feeling this way or because they don’t have a “black saloon community”. As these feelings are not race-lock. A black person, an asian person, a white person, a latin-american person… feeling like shit for aesthetic reasons because you are loosing your hair it’s one pretty common suffering among most races and cultures I know.

You also while accusing me to “white defaultism” are doing a very strong USA defaultism. Ignoring that the majority of black people of the word does indeed not live in the USA, and does not have those US related experiences. You can be in a country with 99,9% black people, with not weird shenanigans about racism and barbershops. And they still most of the time don’t like when they go bald, why? because it makes them look old, same as an “privileged” white dude.

On an even more profound note about racism. Trying to equate “community” things to “race” things… not good in my opinion. On this example, the moment you say that something fundamental about being black is a “community formed in the hair saloon” how do you think that makes feel black people who doesn’t have such “saloon community”? Black people that go to a white barber, that do not bond in the barber for whatever reason, or maybe they cut their own hair because they are broke af? Are they not black? Are they less valid? There are common black experiences, of course, most of them related to a blatant racism against them. I just don’t think that “hair saloons” and thing related with hair are one of those experiences.

I do not think racism is a think of the past. I do not believe I’ve ever said that. I don’t even identify as white. My DNA has more in common with North Africa than with the Anglo-Saxon groups that created the concept of “being white”, so you should check your prejudices.

Racism is really prevalent today against PoC. I’ve anyone understood anything else from my messages I apologise for not delivering my wording right.

That being said. “White” people is privileged in many areas. Going bald and suffering from balding is not one of them. And invalidating that feeling, saying that a white person going bald should not complain or suffer about it JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE. Rubs me the wrong way. Millions of white people suffer a lot because they are going bald, trying to invalidate that feeling just because they are white is just wrong.

It’s incredibly funny you say I believe “white is the default race” when you directly attacked white people, and your only defence for that offence was that was hair saloons are important for black people. Completely ignoring the thousands of different ethnicities that are neither black neither white. What about a balding Asian? can they complain if they go bald? A balding latin american? Which degree of anglo-saxon DNA has a person have to have in their blood to be able to complain about going bald?

The root of this is that a person say that “white people cannot complain about going bald because they are white” and has yet not retracted that incredibly racist statement.

You don’t know what’s going on in the life of that balding white person, and you CANNOT DEDUCE IT FROM THEIR RACE. You don’t know if they are for instance a trans woman and suffering an incredible gender disforia because the balding. You don’t know what importance have their hair in their lives. And trying to invalidate those feelings based only on their skin color is a bad thing to do.

Precisely why my argument has not been to invalidate black people’s culture. But to criticize when someone tried to invalidated white people’s culture, importance of their hair or relationships with their barbers.

You could also apply the listen and not argue here when I say that hair and hair saloons are important for other ethnicities other that Black American.

I can also tell you my personal experiences and culture. In fact it’s what I’ve mostly say. Never said that black people doesn’t have great relationships and community bonding in barbershops owned supposedly by other black people. I’ve been saying that white (and other ethnicities) also have that, and it’s as important for them, because, you know, every human is important regardless of their skin color.

Are you being racist against me?

I think you are both assuming my race as white and them being pejorative against white people.

That last message was not cool.

Sorry, I simply not buy that.

We are not going to agree on this. So have a great day. It has been nice to read your point of view on the matter, and there are some things that I haven’t considered before. Still do not personally agree but that’s ok.

Lots to unpack here.

You still do not explain why white people’s relationships with their barbers are less meaningful just because the color of their skin.

Also I don’t get why a person with white skin could not go to a barber who has black skin, which would know how to cut white hair because as you said it’s the default, and build a great friendship and community there.

Where I live most white people go to PoC barbershops because most barbershops are own by PoC overall.

Black people and white people are allowed to be friends and to go to each others business now.

I don’t know. I have a great relationship with my barber. I don’t think that our relationship is less meaningful just because the color of our skin.

I also do not believe that people in general, no matter the color of their skin, go only to barbers of their same skin color. Not all the world live in 1960s USA. Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.

I don’t get why being white matters here.

I will just upload some fake id with some faceswap filter for the video. They are getting slop in their ID database, that’s just it.

Cash is not 100% anonymous though. Vendors see you, cameras record you, you may even have to sign and present id for some transactions.

This kind of news is an annual event at this point.

If you are the only user and don’t need to use those apps in devices you don’t own a vpn is the way to go.

If not. Depending the number of users you could do some heavy ip geoblocking to at least reduce the exposed surface.

There are a few services I have just like 3 IPs allowed to get a response from caddy, any other ip gets 403 error.

Does it work with android and TV apps?

I tried long ago and failed.