• Doug@piefed.social
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    2 months ago

    This is one of the reasons my spouse and I opted to not have kids. This place is doomed.

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      2 months ago

      Dude I feel so incredibly guilty for bringing my kids into this horror. You’re doing the right thing.

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      2 months ago

      Given that overpopulation likely contributes to climate change, you’re also doing your part for those who do have to live through this hellscape!

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        2 months ago

        Honestly having kids or not doesn’t make a huge difference since most countries are below replacement already anyway. Not like it’s normal to have 3+ kids anymore even if you do have kids.

        • fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          I actually think it might even be worse to not have kids at this point, someone needs to fix all the issues previous generations have created. I’m pretty sure we need human intervention, some kind of Geo-engineering/Terraforming to avoid a runway hot house earth (something like effective carbon capture)… So I don’t think antinatalism helps…

          • Ttangko@lemmy.world
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            1 month ago

            brother, we have a couple years left. capitalism was and will be extremely efficient.

            it actively even degraded people’s intelligence level to maximize consumerism and most importantly the holiest of all: profit accumulation. education is completely indoctrinating us in every aspect to affirm the system.

            change is completely out of reach to have every human being on earth to emancipate, so we’d dissolve all borders and switch from this hellscape of commodity based production to a to a needs based one.

            its not going to work within national solutions, all those will have to play the game of the mightiest, we need all people to realize this but media already done its job to scare people out of reach for years. its literally the allegory of the cave, and people choose the chains.

            • fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              I know we’re fucked. But I refuse to believe that we cannot change. It will still get significantly worse, that I’m fairly sure of. But I also think that at some point for one renewables lobby is bigger than fossil and will actively fight fossilized lobby and that humans will see on a broader scale that we need to change. All of this is already in progress. I doubt doomerism does us any good. I’d agree that global collaboration would help significantly (and to a part this is happening already). Also keep in mind we’re prone to talk about extremes, like capitalism, communism, socialism etc. While a mix of those is more accurate for most states (social market economy). USA is probably much closer to capitalism, but I doubt their system will work much longer it’s too polarized to be “stable” much longer.

              So while it will get ugly (and let’s hope that climate scientists weren’t too optimistic) I think we at least may be able too avoid a runway hothouse earth and stabilize the climate to at least human survivability (which is still sad…)

      • casualvagrancy@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Yeah, the people with the blood clots, myocarditis, infertility, and skyrocketing rates of ass cancer are the smart ones.

        They knew that COVID is stopped by a mask, except you’re sitting down at a restaurant.

        They get COVID again and again because the vaccine works!

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            2 months ago

            Decades of doctors, researchers, and Nobel prize winning immunologists willing to endure endless derision and destroy their careers.

            Hundreds of thousands of parents with identical stories.

            But we’re just the antivax crowd. Smart people believe the ads on TV.

            • oyo@lemmy.zip
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              2 months ago

              Decades is a way to count people now? I think the number you’re looking for is 2%.

              • casualvagrancy@lemmy.world
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                2 months ago

                I don’t know where you got the 2% number and I think the real number is probably a lot higher, but let’s assume that number is right for a moment. I know what you’re probably thinking because I used to think the same thing. IF vaccines were not as safe and effective as claimed, that number would be a lot higher than 2%. Four vaccines to cause SIDS, cancer, autoimmune diseases, autism, etc. that would mean that a massive amount of very smart people we’re either dumb or lying.

                It seems inconceivable. But, the pharmaceutical industry is incomprehensively, wealthy and powerful in part because they own or effectively own pretty much every major scientific and medical journal and every med school and medical textbook. And they have a government that mandates their products and protects them from lawsuits. You can’t sue a vaccine manufacturer.

                Under those circumstances, at least one and 50 medical professionals is screaming from the rooftops that vaccines are not safe, even when the industry is dedicated to destroying their careers and reputations for doing so and is willing to throw essentially unlimited money at it.

                And there’s the fact that every study done that truly compared vaccinated and unvaccinated, such as the recent Henry Ford health study, has found that the vaccinated had significantly higher rates of every disease studied. Whereas the unvaccinated had close to zero.

  • Destide@feddit.uk
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    2 months ago

    Doesn’t matter what your intentions are.

    Doesn’t matter what earnings you posted this quarter.

    Doesn’t matter if you believe in climate change.

    Doesn’t matter if you need this truck.

    You’re on this rock of wind and water and it’ll do what it needs, to get back to it’s equilibrium. That might be at a level we don’t exist anymore nature is emotionless and you can’t control it.

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      2 months ago

      Humans existed in harmony with nature for a very long time, and in many places still manage to, despite the increasing challenges posed by climate change.

      The human species isn’t what’s throwing the planet out of equilibrium. It’s capitalism and the closely-related evils of white supremacy and war.

      We can survive this if we kill capitalism, kill the notion of whiteness (and Zionism), return to listening to nature if we have strayed, and avoid war.

      Though the human population is projected to begin shrinking very soon even without major environmental pressures, so “surviving this” might not look like the society we have today. Maybe we’re maintaining our own equilibrium, at least a little bit.

  • Zacryon@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    Yeah just don’t fall into the old mistake of weather = climate. Heat waves happened before climate change as well. But our current changing climate makes them more likely to happen more often and more intense, if I am informed correctly.

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        2 months ago

        Its not one or the other, that’s overly simplistic. Using this one data point to “prove” climate change is about as honest as someone bringing a snowball into congress to prove it’s fake.

        You need both to prove a sustainable point, otherwise it’s forgotten with the next cold snap. This is one extreme data point, and it helps to showcase the problem, but it is not the only one. Use it as part of a whole, not as a singular showcase.

        Thats my interpretation of OPs comment.

        • VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          2 months ago

          Idk when record-breaking high temperatures are showing up weekly I think they stop being “extreme” data points

          Outliers aren’t outliers anymore when all the measurements are in that range

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            2 months ago

            That they’re outliers of what has been the norm for centuries is the entire point. Saying “this is the new normal” is, as you might surmise, normalizing it.

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              2 months ago

              I mean, it is the new normal? None of us (hopefully) want it to be, but it’s the reality we have to deal with, unless the laws of physics that make thermometers work suddenly changed and no one noticed

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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      2 months ago

      No, that was plan A.

      Plan A: tell people there’s no climate change

      Plan B: tell people climate change is natural, not man made

      Plan C: tell people climate change is man made but there’s nothing we can do about it

      We’re at plan C now.