What do all you guys use these setups for?

So as far as I gather, it’s still just as open source as before but you just can’t sell it on the Confluence marketplace? Seems fair.

In other riveting news, water is wet.

A major Danish news site recently said they’d delete their accounts on Twitter :)

Although no plans for making a Mastodon account instead :(

the reality is such that the vast majority will go with the flow

This also works the other way though - once a critical mass moves elsewhere, the mob is quick to follow. I would encourage you to be part of that early snowball that starts the avalanche - be the change.

mostly my local police, fire department, and local govt are only on xitter

The thing is, they are there because the users are there. After all, they want to reach the most people with their important official messaging.

You have to leave to make them leave.

You’re welcome m8, have a nice day

You’re misunderstanding me again. Please try reading what I said again.

I’m not suggesting allowlist federation, though that is another tactic that could be used. I’m just saying that a spammer on the fediverse would be quickly defederated and would have to buy a new domain to keep spamming, which would probably be too expensive to justify.

No, my point is that if spammers were to spam on the fediverse, they’d need to buy new domains constantly as their previous domains are defederated, I’m not talking about email.

Nono, I’m saying it costs to spam because spammers have to keep buying new domains as their previous domains get blocked or defederated.

Hmm I feel like some pooling of effort with spam detection built into the software (lemmy for instance) could help spread the effort of spam fighting to other, smaller instances and not just centralised to the big ones.

But it’s difficult to say what will happen I guess. We need to just keep being vigilant when it comes to stopping spam while keeping in mind our shared goal of a decentralised social Internet.

Replying to your edit:

it doesn’t solve spammers abusing good instances

This is an instance moderation problem. If you’re letting spammers in, you need to use a better application process or something similar to that. A big problem with email spam is that most email services allow anyone to sign up for free without any checks.

Ultimately defederating bad actors and defederating “good” actors who fail to moderate their own users is necessary.

I’m not sure what you mean with that or how it relates to what I said, could you elaborate?

Is it though? Don’t email spammers just spoof the domain or send without a domain? I’m not entirely sure if that’s different from how the fediverse works. I’m not too knowledgeable about this topic.

Defederating bad actors/spammers should in theory be good enough? Domains aren’t free and I don’t think it’s worth it for them to buy a new domain to just be able to spam for a short time again.

Now that’s a website

Wait, what are the credits for? You spend them to watch porn or what? So when you’re out of credits you’re locked out? Sorry but… wtf?

Super cool. Would AGPL fix the issues with the loop holes they used?

What other tools than VPNs would you say are important?

Agreed, I would definitely not refer to the first one as self hosting without qualifying further.