@suuuoppp: To stop the speculation and DM's I am receiving. I chose to quit my role at LTT because it, and the working environment I was facing, were ruining my mental health. The number of daily items...…
Edit: See my other comment below, looks like in Canada the legal system can fuck you over with legal costs in these matters https://lemmy.zip/comment/1760082
With the assault and shit that’s straight up criminally illegal.
It is. So where is the police report? She said she was groped on several occasions (which is sexual assault) and quit the job by her own decision, so why not throw the men who groped her under the bus?
I 100% get the fear of a witch hunt from LTT fans (which are overall dumb and rabid most of the time, just read the YouTube comments), but now that she openly accuses them she should file a police report.
Otherwise this is just throwing accusations around at an opportune time, I’d much rather have this proven in court and the men punished (which would also uncover more systemic problems inside of LTT).
Linus did say a year ago:
For obvious reasons, there won’t be an official statement disclosing private details about my dealings with any of our current or former staff. You (and Reddit) can stop asking.
On a separate note, no NDA or other agreement can prevent a Canadian from reporting workplace mistreatment including (but not limited to) harassment, discrimination or unlawful termination. They can post it publicly, submit a statement to the authorities, or do both for good measure. As long as it was true it wouldn’t be defamatory.
If I’m ever actually accused of a crime or other misdemeanor - including any violation of employment law - I’m sure you’ll be able to read all about it on Dexerto. For now, it appears that we are in the clear.
Now that she openly accuses them I’d expect some action there to go with.
It is. So where is the police report? She said she was groped on several occasions (which is sexual assault) and quit the job by her own decision, so why not throw the men who groped her under the bus?
I am tired of reading these things. I am absolutely aware these are done in good faith to have some neutral instance to deal with this, but it not the reality. If you are low on money, you are right out or a bit later, if you are an “undesirable” person, you will lose, and if you lack time, energy and mental health going through the paperwork will break the last bit you had and money too.
Yeah, the whole “it didn’t happen if it wasn’t reported to the police” thing is shit. There is unfortunately too long of a list of reasons as to why someone would be unable or unwilling to report these types of things and the attitude of the OP you’re replying to is on the list.
You would think after watching the droves of men and women coming forward during the me too movement would show people that coming forward at the time is extremely difficult and often not possible.
In Austria and Germany (as far as I’m aware, I’m not a lawyer) when it’s criminal charges the state sues. So you report it to the police and then it’s out of your hand pretty much (besides being a witness). If you want extra compensation you can go the civil case route afterwards as a victim.
Similar to if you stab me and the police notices then they don’t ask me if I want to sue you. They’ll charge you all on their own as it’s a criminal matter, not a civil one.
In Austria and Germany (as far as I’m aware, I’m not a lawyer) when it’s criminal charges the state sues
To follow on from my previous comment… I’m sure you’ve seen multiple cases in your own country where the police / courts decline to charge or prosecute someone based on lack of physical evidence
True, we also have the whole Rammstein issue at the moment (But that’s even more complicated, as the girls were all adults and consented to it at first).
I’m not sure what the recording laws in Canada are, LTT has a hundred cameras around every day and Madison wrote she got regularly assaulted. If it’s legal there I’d film myself to have proof.
Overall I just don’t like the timing, the drama was a year ago and now that other (more objective drama) gets brought up Madison unpacks everything and piles it on top? She was already in public back then and it’s bullshit that she believes the employer handbook would be an NDA covering sexual assault allegations (like Linus himself wrote back then, no NDA can do that in Canada). The other stuff in the post? Totally fine, that’s criticizing internal processes. But mixed right in there are serious criminal allegations.
And psychologists will probably tell you that after the assault there is shame, embarrassment, fear of repercussions due to power dynamics and anxiety about what will happen. Of course this doesn’t mean our society is dysfunctional, as we already managed to get a lot of systems in place to drive up this figure, but they’re all far from perfect, and we need more studies and more improvements to do victims of SA better justice.
She will almost certainly find it very, very hard to prove the offence. Police and courts are usually reluctant to prosecute something on a ‘he said, she said’ basis. I can see why she’d not go down the police route with that, without even taking into account the massive power imbalance in terms of wealth / influence
So it seems 100% legal to record yourself even at work. Both audio and video? Which would make it rather easy to provide at least some proof (verbal abuse mostly, but if someone groped her at her desk then filming that might have worked too).
She also wrote:
I had co-workers come tome saying "I didn't like how you were treated, glad you got out."And only then did I realize it wasn't me.
So that would mean there might be additional witnesses? I’m really hoping several of them actually come forward and talk about this then.
Edit: See my other comment below, looks like in Canada the legal system can fuck you over with legal costs in these matters https://lemmy.zip/comment/1760082
It is. So where is the police report? She said she was groped on several occasions (which is sexual assault) and quit the job by her own decision, so why not throw the men who groped her under the bus?
I 100% get the fear of a witch hunt from LTT fans (which are overall dumb and rabid most of the time, just read the YouTube comments), but now that she openly accuses them she should file a police report.
Otherwise this is just throwing accusations around at an opportune time, I’d much rather have this proven in court and the men punished (which would also uncover more systemic problems inside of LTT).
Linus did say a year ago:
Now that she openly accuses them I’d expect some action there to go with.
I am tired of reading these things. I am absolutely aware these are done in good faith to have some neutral instance to deal with this, but it not the reality. If you are low on money, you are right out or a bit later, if you are an “undesirable” person, you will lose, and if you lack time, energy and mental health going through the paperwork will break the last bit you had and money too.
Yeah, the whole “it didn’t happen if it wasn’t reported to the police” thing is shit. There is unfortunately too long of a list of reasons as to why someone would be unable or unwilling to report these types of things and the attitude of the OP you’re replying to is on the list.
You would think after watching the droves of men and women coming forward during the me too movement would show people that coming forward at the time is extremely difficult and often not possible.
Ah darn, in Canada this is a bit fucked, true. Just found this: https://lernerspersonalinjury.ca/sexual-abuse/sexual-abuse-cases-who-pays-the-legal-bills/
In Austria and Germany (as far as I’m aware, I’m not a lawyer) when it’s criminal charges the state sues. So you report it to the police and then it’s out of your hand pretty much (besides being a witness). If you want extra compensation you can go the civil case route afterwards as a victim.
Similar to if you stab me and the police notices then they don’t ask me if I want to sue you. They’ll charge you all on their own as it’s a criminal matter, not a civil one.
To follow on from my previous comment… I’m sure you’ve seen multiple cases in your own country where the police / courts decline to charge or prosecute someone based on lack of physical evidence
True, we also have the whole Rammstein issue at the moment (But that’s even more complicated, as the girls were all adults and consented to it at first).
I’m not sure what the recording laws in Canada are, LTT has a hundred cameras around every day and Madison wrote she got regularly assaulted. If it’s legal there I’d film myself to have proof.
Overall I just don’t like the timing, the drama was a year ago and now that other (more objective drama) gets brought up Madison unpacks everything and piles it on top? She was already in public back then and it’s bullshit that she believes the employer handbook would be an NDA covering sexual assault allegations (like Linus himself wrote back then, no NDA can do that in Canada). The other stuff in the post? Totally fine, that’s criticizing internal processes. But mixed right in there are serious criminal allegations.
Just to further your opinion:
Only ~30% of sexual assaults get reported according to this: https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
And psychologists will probably tell you that after the assault there is shame, embarrassment, fear of repercussions due to power dynamics and anxiety about what will happen. Of course this doesn’t mean our society is dysfunctional, as we already managed to get a lot of systems in place to drive up this figure, but they’re all far from perfect, and we need more studies and more improvements to do victims of SA better justice.
She will almost certainly find it very, very hard to prove the offence. Police and courts are usually reluctant to prosecute something on a ‘he said, she said’ basis. I can see why she’d not go down the police route with that, without even taking into account the massive power imbalance in terms of wealth / influence
Regarding Canada, I do find this: https://globalnews.ca/content/8797002/can-you-get-fired-recording-conversations-work/
So it seems 100% legal to record yourself even at work. Both audio and video? Which would make it rather easy to provide at least some proof (verbal abuse mostly, but if someone groped her at her desk then filming that might have worked too).
She also wrote:
I had co-workers come to me saying "I didn't like how you were treated, glad you got out." And only then did I realize it wasn't me.So that would mean there might be additional witnesses? I’m really hoping several of them actually come forward and talk about this then.
Sounds like she got witch-hunted tbh. Management was unhappy with Linus hiring her without going through the proper channels and pushed her out.