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  • Okay fair enough, but that is at least slightly different than saying Proton isn’t FOSS, but I understand.

    They have a pretty good FOSS standing and audits for software they distribute. While that doesn’t make it easy to host privately, it does make it trivial to see how data is shipped to their servers.



  • I pay for Proton and I’m very happy with it. I think they need Contact phone integration but otherwise rock solid products. I don’t like the CEO, but generally I hate them all, so I try not to think about that. Their full suite of products has treated me well for a few years now.

    Not at all saying the alternatives aren’t better, just sharing my experience.



  • No. You’re the only one I see implying there are no cases where data is private outside a VPN. Strictly speaking, if you need only the data across a connection to be private TLS is sufficient. Who is implying that is a complete threat model. You are building more and more strawmen against which to argue, but it really just sounds silly. I’m a professional that has been in the industry for decades, so your dick waving contest just doesn’t move me.

    Yes, a more complete risk analysis in many cases may show that you’d like the host one is reaching to also be private, but nobody is saying such a situation doesn’t exist; you’re barking at the moon.



  • They didn’t say they don’t value privacy; a bit of a strawman. Most connections are private even if not anonymous. TLS is sufficient for many uses. Knowing this allows one to be discerning about when a VPN is more useful.


    Actually maybe I misread your intent. On second glance, looks like you might be yes-and’ing.