Most matrix clients just collect loads of data, so meh

They’re supposed to be hashed so that shouldn’t matter

Unless that’s the joke or something

TheAnonymouseJoker is a clown (imo, no harassment or anything)

Talked with them on the subject of privacy emails and they recommended services that store mail unencrypted and logs your ip address and stuff

Their sources are « activists » that they like, rather than facts. I suspect their don’t like bigger companies and famous things even if they’re better

I use grapheneos and it’s pretty good. Yes the main dev can be a bit of an asshole, but for what it claims to do, grapheneos is pretty good

Sadly anything with google services, even sandboxed, is going to track you, and I believe grapheneos is pretty good at what you can do without sacrificing too much

Less tracking from websites, more tracking from us!

You can’t encrypt received unencrypted mail (except if you use POP but it’s not an option if you have multiple devices), but you’re right about one thing, it’s that we can’t trust that proton doesn’t store the encryption keys. Although it is still safer to go with them because if they did, they would either have given the mails to the govs, exposing them (which didn’t happen), or they just wouldn’t hand out your mails, which is better than nothing.

You really have a problem with people. You can only attack personally or throw baseless insults.

I talked a lot about XMR, but also talk about session, Firefox and its privacy, file sharing like torrents, pirated stuff, VPNs… and I haven’t been very active on lemmy. But I don’t see how that gives you any more power in that conversation, knowing how bad you handled it.

You’re just saying the same thing over and over while not understanding that what you propose is no different (or even worse), and that your pseudo arguments are empty and invalid. Just stop.

What I’m saying is that VPNs can legally not give out your info, while mail services can’t, because of the technical reasons I mentioned, and as such, it doesn’t make Proton any more faulty for handing out info that it would make Riseup or Disroot to do the same. At the end, they’re all legally required to comply and will do if asked to.

Sorry for being aggressive :)

I just believe that Proton with end to end encryption by default is better than having unencrypted mail or similar

Good for you if you trust them, but you might as well self host then if you don’t need protection from the government 🤔

Oh so you use the argument of authority now. Great.

I’ll check your thing. I would have enjoyed if you could have linked it because I’m a young stupid guy with a short attention span, but fine.

If you actually checked my profile you could’ve found out I’m pretty deep into Monero, and that’s pretty much what got me into Lemmy. Don’t make assumptions without knowing people.

I checked this page https://digdeeper.club/articles/email.xhtml#disroot and surprise surprise, no real arguments apart from quoting stuff from disroot’s website. Disroot has a worse privacy policy than Proton, stores email unencrypted. You’re basically trusting Disroot not to do harmful things, which is a red flag when you could recommend services that do things properly.

If that’s the best source you have, I seriously doubt your knowledge.

I guess it’s now time for my ban

Except with a VPN you’re not identified by the servers you connect to, so they can safely not log any traffic and as such, law enforcement can’t ask to hand out data about a specific account because they don’t know which account did it. Same goes for logging the IP of the account, because again, they don’t know which account it is, and can’t force a service to log all users for the sake of finding one.

It’s not true for mail services however, as the email address is your login and/or is linked to a specific account, forever and exclusively.

Disroot stores your IP address so there’s already that. Didn’t check the other one.

Source: the 3 first words of my comment…

https://disroot.org/en/privacy_policy Section 4.1

You’re the ones defending a service yet you don’t know that. Seems like someone who just found out the service can do better research. But hey, thanks for not being overly aggressive and claiming to know everything like this other guy.

I should for sure trust a random guy on Lemmy with no arguments whatsoever and that criticizes well established services for no reason, and also criticizes all YouTubers with no distinction.

Oh so you believe that Proton wants to hand out user data? Absolutely not. It gives them bad publicity and discredits them.

Capitalism and activism has nothing to do with the subject. We’re here for privacy and anonymity. A good service is trustless. It’s not up to Disroot and Riseup to decide whether they’ll hand out user info or not. They subject to some legislation because of the country they’re based in, and I don’t think they’re willing to go to jail by not cooperating.

And you can spread your hate towards the younger generation and smartphones all you want, it only makes you more irrelevant. You didn’t write any argument as to why those services are better except “they’re activists” and “I trust them”, which doesn’t matter in any way.

What’s wrong with those 3 things you cited?

Their privacy policy. They log IP addresses and are not immune to legal actions, and as such, are not really better than Proton in terms of legal actions

I’ve never heard of those 2 providers and they don’t seem to be any better. I’m just looking for facts to back that and so far I haven’t seen any

Being skeptical doesn’t mean being a troll or a fed, wtf. I don’t know what you’re on but it seems cool

As for the « are you trying to discredit … without evidence » I want to answer « what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence »

Source: trust me bro

It’s just that more people use proton so more of them have their identity leaked. I don’t see how the terms of these 2 companies are better

Still, it wasn’t optional for me, so I’m pretty annoyed that they’re saying it.

You can remove the mail after but indeed, I won’t trust proton with not keeping that info. The mail has to be entered in the recovery email field, and then sends mail to the recovery email when you have unread mail. So it’s not a one-time mail sent with a code.

Not sure how they’re better than proton is terms of compliance and anonymity

Proton does require a recovery email address if you sign up to a mail forwarding service or similar, right after creating the account. In that case the account remains locked if you don’t, so that’s just a lie

I’m sure they’ll find a way to sell their components at full price just like what they do right now. They’ll surely keep their DRMs in place and prevent repairs with other components.

If they support it, it is because they modified it enough so that they benefit from it.