OK I got it, you are completely out of the loop here.

You do not grasp the idea of NoScript and other JS filtering extension. This is not about server code, your all arguments is baseless here.

By the way JS refered to Javascript and not NodeJS.

Anyway I got you whole company/business talk about “keeping the service available, secure, performant” and “GDPR […] bankrupting fine”… yeah lemmy.world.

Thanks for your answer.

First I don’t even grasp what a “service owner” is.

Second, for JS front-end openness there are already a bunch of app (web, android) that are open-source and secured. Everything has dependencies nowadays, this doesn’t prevent good security. Think all the python app and their dependencies, rust, android… even c\c++ packages are built with dependencies and security updates are necessary (bash had security issues).

I think with JS scripts it’s actually even easier to have good security because the app is ran in our web browser so the only possible attacker is the website we are visiting itself. If they are malicious then the close-sourced JS script is even worse. Unless you count 3rd party scripts embedded that bad dev uses in their website without even thinking about trusting them. That is also awful in both open or close source environment.

So even having imperfect security (which happens regardless to openness), who is the attacker here? I would rather run js script on my end if the code can be checked.

I believe you missed the point, I am not in defense of Security through obscurity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity), quiet the opposite.

The point: “[…] risk for the service owner as it gives an easily parsable way for an attacker to check […]” is well known and not the discussion here. You can choose close source for ‘security’ this is opensource community so I am wondering about such a tool.

There’s no “open source” centralized website. You can’t know what the server is effectively running unless you have access to it. To me this makes no sense.

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They won’t go to jail, period. No company owners never go to jail, kinda ever. This phrase is out of proportion. At worse they would have a fine.

Also still in the blog everything is words and very opaque like " We do this not only through technology and advocacy (Proton has contributed over $500,000 toward defending these values around the world)" : like where, what, when?

“There was no legal possibility to resist or fight this particular request.” : I doubt very much unless Switzerland is a dictatorship in disguise.

“Switzerland generally will not assist prosecutions from countries without fair justice systems.” : clearly not.

You can search it online : I don’t know any good media so here’s the first result on DuckDuckGo https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-court-order-french-climate-activist-arrest-identification

It is a nice PR but for me I am not impressed. Rolex is also a non profit organization in Switzerland and and mostly help hiding there finance.

Correct me if I am wrong but all I see is words and promises. I would trust them if they release the yearly finance transparently.

For now the only act I can judge them on is their collaboration with police to give ecologist activists IP.

Justin Pot is no expert but expert on writing.

I am so sorry, I am going to fix this. Also I am not one of the people who downvoted your comment. I like when people point at my mistakes. I am making a lot of those even in my native language.

I tried watching the video. I am genuinely interested but I couldn’t. The video is uncuted (edit: uncut*, my English is so bad) and very slow paced. After 10 minutes I gave up (50 minutes remaining).

Maybe an other time or with an other video.

They list gitea but not forgejo. That’s not really advocating for FOSS. “all” (the ones I looked at) are startup products coined as open-source.

I really don’t like this website and this list, to me this is replacing bad solutions by other bad solutions (I am sorry for the people that like firebase and co).

I am sorry for the negativity but I really don’t enjoy this link and all it represents and all the people enjoying such content. I guess I/we should explicitly separate FOSS from open-source.

I may be out of touch and should be educated on why/how this is good.

Interesting, it’s sad that for me the search is quiet garbage and feed me with result based on my IP/location and I couldn’t find a option to change that like DDG does.

Thanks for the link, I knew hyperbola for many years from afar. Reading this gave me a lot more insight on the project. I find it very cool and pushing toward better software like GNU, openBSD and suckless.

Nothing is perfect but for server this distribution could be a nice option . I’d love to see an arm version of it. I guess RISC-V would also be a perfect match for them

We always had. Many people wrote personal notes/letters in cryptic ways to prevent unwanted readers from deciphering it.

Imagine a word where we would teach children not to make their own cypher because this is illegal. What a distopian society.