Have you guys also noticed this? I’m not talking about “Oh my family isn’t privacy conscious” I honestly get that for ur average moms and pops, they don’t know any better.
the problem is with how these big tech companies effectively poisoned the everyday Joe to think that handing over ur data like a good boy is the norm and breaking out is “weird” and “too much”, this blame also goes on Hollywood.
Yesterday my friend called me " Mr robot" for just taking my privacy seriously I thought it was funny.
some people also fired their single neuron and told me “People only do this when they have something to hide”
These remarks that I face from time to time really highlights the mentality of the general society where if you break out of the norm, even if it doesn’t harm them, they would find a way to make off handed remarks about it almost like they’re dissatisfied that you’re fighting.
“i have nothing to hide anyways”
“theyre tracking me anyways so it doesnt matter”
“i dont do anything illegal so i dont care if im being tracked”
these quotes make my blood boil
I’ve also heard
“I’m not important enough for anyone to care what I’m doing.”
I’m like honey this shit is automated at population scale. You don’t have to be important. You only have to be a human.
I’ve recently realized that people have no idea how algorithms work. It’s also eye-opening when you realize how poorly educated many people are and how bad the literacy rates are.
I’ve tried as hard as I can to help people around me. They just don’t get it. I’ve provided alternatives and told them they fund fascism when giving info away. I’ve been trying to help the “I have nothing to hide” club for 15 years now. It’s just no use. I have failed to convince a single person.
arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
- Edward Snowden
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But that doesn’t give individuals a reason to take action on there own privacy. At least it should mean others will respect you more for valuing your own privacy.
I just go full anti tech, which people find ironic since I’m in the tech industry, and they poke fun at that
No matter what you do, no matter what you think or say, people will try their darnedest to poke holes at it
But what you *don’t * do? That’s pretty hard to poke holes at.
“I don’t have a Facebook account” is a brickwall to the conversion. That way in their mind, it’s not that I don’t trust the company, it’s that I don’t even slightly value the product. I have a damn phone, I have to am required to_ pay for the damn phone. It has group chats. What is the value of Facebook again?
Marketplace? I buy everything brand new and keep it until it’s dead
Doomscrolling? Bad habit, not interested
Family connections? I cut most of them off but maybe 4, who know to call/text
Now even thermostats are getting microphones and listening devices, which will absolutely be used to collect data on people from their homes see ecobees new TOS, and the new HoneyWell/ring camera integrations frankly I’m just done with the bullshit. I’m full blown get any phone home technology the fuck out of my house levels of done
But I don’t say that when people ask why I changed my thermostat from the $400 Ecobee, which was a standout feature in my home when they walked in.
No. I say “their servers kept going down and causing issues when I needed it to work”, because people who somehow manage to live without concerning themselves of targeted pricing or snooping practices do care about slight inconveniences, and for whatever reason “they changed their TOS to get people to agree to let them spy on them without legal reprecussions, and if you don’t agree they’ll lock you out of your account barring you from using half the stuff you paid to use” is less logical to their pre-occupied brains than “I got inconvenienced twice a year from down servers”
I just go full anti tech, which people find ironic since I’m in the tech industry, and they poke fun at that
It’s funny, because they’ve managed to draw completely the wrong conclusion. You aren’t anti-tech despite working in the tech industry, no - you’re anti-tech because of working in the tech industry.
The first thing I ask for when buying new appliances is what the have that doesn’t have WiFi or Bluetooth. I’m fucking done too!
Nice resource that goes over the main objections to people who don’t value there own privacy:
https://blog.rebeltechalliance.org/common-objections-debunked/
Thank you
Same issue with DNA tests. I tried to choose not to hand over my DNA so freely but my sister already did it. I didn’t get a choice in the matter.
If you think you have nothing to hide, imagine pooping with the bathroom door open all of the time.
Whenever I hear the “only people with something to hide” comment I reply “oh? Then unlock your phone, hand it to me and leave the room.” They always backtrack immediately.
This one is really good. I always say “then why do you have walls in your house” but it doesn’t work that well.
“Why do you have curtains on your windows” is a little less dismissable than “Walls” for future.
Gosh… why havn’t I thought of saying that
It’s scary to think about how the next generations are essentially being groomed to believe that these invasive applications and surveillance are just normal. But that’s the goal of the big tech oligarchs.
Same reason they try and say it’s only criminals that want to protect their privacy.
that’s what I’m saying,surveillance is the new normal, its trendy, opposition is being an “Extremist” and “Creepy”
“There is, simply, no way, to ignore privacy. Because a citizenry’s freedoms are interdependent, to surrender your own privacy is really to surrender everyone’s.
You might choose to give it up out of convenience, or under the popular pretext that privacy is only required by those who have something to hide. But saying that you don’t need or want privacy because you have nothing to hide is to assume that no one should have, or could have to hide anything – including their immigration status, unemployment history, financial history, and health records.
You’re assuming that no one, including yourself, might object to revealing to anyone information about their religious beliefs, political affiliations and sexual activities, as casually as some choose to reveal their movie and music tastes and reading preferences.
Ultimately, saying that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say. Or that you don’t care about freedom of the press because you don’t like to read. Or that you don’t care about freedom of religion because you don’t believe in God. Or that you don’t care about the freedom to peaceably assemble because you’re a lazy, antisocial agoraphobe.
Just because this or that freedom might not have meaning to you today doesn’t mean that that it doesn’t or won’t have meaning tomorrow, to you, or to your neighbor – or to the crowds of principled dissidents I was following on my phone who were protesting halfway across the planet, hoping to gain just a fraction of the freedom that my country was busily dismantling.”
– Edward Snowden
The really creepy one is stuff like 23andme where your genealogy obsessed extended family all does it and now they can statistically estimate your genome from your known family history and it’s all in a database for sale and Trump’s DOJ is likely buying
thank god my family didn’t use those services
thank god my family discouraged me from using those services back before I became privacy-conscious
Ask people that tell you that only those with something to hide care about privacy whether they shit with the door open or closed when there are others around.
Yeah if I talk about how everything is routed through VPN people just assume I’m deep into porn or worse.
Well, there’s a new War On VPNs starting (ugh). If the Forces of Enshittification prevail, we could see them banned in more countries. And not just the usual suspects either. The idea is being pushed in several US states, in the UK, and maybe(?) the Aussies? It’s being fought in all those ofc. But I’m afraid the political momentum for bans will build and build.
My hope is, that Canada will be chill and not follow the rest of us off a cliff. Come on, Canada! You’re our best hope!
I don’t see how they ban it though. I could surely just buy a VPS somewhere where it is allowed and then route through a VPN from there?
I could surely just buy a VPS somewhere where it is allowed and then route through a VPN from there?
That would also be significantly less private than using a public VPN. This method would only prevent your ISP from seeing what you do, but if someone figures out the public ip of your VPS and connects it to your identity, then you’re just as exposed as when not using a VPN at all. The big advantage of public VPNs is that you share a public IP with dozens or hundreds of other users on the same server.
Using Tor would be the better option for privacy, but comes with its own issues. Also, please don’t abuse the tor network for piracy
Well they have ways to make it very hard. China, Russia, and some other countries already block VPNs. Sure it’s not 100% ironclad. But it doesn’t have to be. They want to block the big majority. If 1% finds a way around, it was still effective.
There are technical ways, like DPI based blocking of the protocols. There are ways to bypass that, sure, but you lost most ppl already.
Then there are social ways. Make the risk too high if you’re caught. Ppl will be afraid to try.
I do not think the US, EU, Aus are close to that extreme yet. Not tryin to say this is right around the corner. But other countries already have done these things. It is possible we could see those measures in the future.
Sure, but the general populace has no idea that that’s possible or how to set anything like that up.
that’s what km sayinggg
I’m tired of being alone in my efforts to guard privacy because nobody I know in person cares. I have to figure it all out myself because no peers share how they do things. The shit we have to go through for privacy is ridiculous. My goddamn neighbor has a ring camera pointed at my house. Other neighbor has a camera that captures my pool. Like goddamn there is a a camera in my face even when my blinds are open and I’m sitting in my living room chair.
Fuck all these people and their disregard for others. I want to move to Antarctica.
For as much as your average American loves big government conspiracies, and harping about other people violating the sanctity of their property, they have absolutely no actual privacy and security sense
You are becoming one of these “privacy weirdos” as some think. Fighting for own privacy and using all means to keep it in tact is a lonely battle. Its tough to find someone irl who share the same values. It looks like everybody just got into the same train and go with the flow. For them you are disruption, something uncommon, strange.
I work in IT and even a coworker called me out for trying to protect my privacy by leaving google services as much as possible and using GrapheneOS, running PiHole with unbound. I don’t know how people can work in that field and still be blind to all the privacy concerns.
I’ve sseen the same thing. Sadly, for most ppl, convenience beats privacy. If something is 1% more convenient, they will pick it no matter how awful it is.
That’s how big tech enshittifies everything. They bank on 99% of people putting convenience before anything else. Even before the future of their society. Most ppl do not understand how powerful information is.
What weirded me out at first in IT was gazing at all the big tech tools with no remorse. It kinda made me question - with all the telemetry, logging, analyzing data in your own apps nobody ever cares leaving some much own traces at big tech overlords.
