I’ve found that my circle of contacts use the default messaging app for group chats even more now. I couldn’t get them to use Signal but at least they’re posting in the RCS group chat more instead of on Meta platforms.
RCS is even less secure than SMS though — it’s unencrypted and by design, Google, Apple and the carriers all have to be able to inspect the content. And the way it’s designed makes it really difficult to have an open E2E encryption standard. So as a result, Google<->Google is encrypted, Apple<->Apple is encrypted, but combine even one device not of the same type in a group chat and it has to be unencrypted.
Last I checked, there is still no way for developers to use RCS on Android, so it’s a non-starter for me. I do not and will not limit myself to first-party apps.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. If there’s an open-source RCS-compatible messaging app out there, I’d love to try it.
Nope, you are still correct. To the best of my knowledge.
I can’t use it between Android and iOS because I don’t have Google Play Services and RCS requires Google Play Services and Google Messenger on Android to work. No third party app can use it.
Open platform my ass. Most carriers just use Google’s servers for it.
You can use Signal between Android and iOS too.
The carrier has to support it which is a red flag for me since they have to archive metadata and the contents.
This’ll be a hot take but anything based on Signal’s protocol (including WhatsApp) is better than RCS in all ways.
They should’ve worked to use xmpp or matrix as their replacement for SMS, but they chose an alternative that let’s corpos run servers and not anyone else.
Fucking garbage technology.
Doesn’t work properly on Graphene OS most of the time
If you have T-Mobile or AT&T, there is an incompatibility between them and GrapheneOS
I have switched away from those carriers for about a month now and RCS has consistently worked for me with no issues
As I understand it any carrier could break at any time. The Graphene team isn’t prioritizing fixes because it’s not E2EE
The protocol is cool, the implementation becoming proprietary and enshittified is a bummer.
You can use Signal between Android and.iOS, i know this as I (android user) use it all the time to msg contacts using Signal on their iphone, don’t use RCS ffs.
My VPN doesn’t work with RCS, which is, at best, annoying. It automatically connects when I’m on untrusted WiFi. Hopefully anyone messaging me has the “fall back to SMS” option enabled, but I’ve learned that several don’t. I learned that because I didn’t get texts from them until after I left work, (and disconnected from the work WiFi).
Even worse, group texts don’t have any option to automatically fall back. So I don’t receive any group texts at all while I’m at work, but the senders have no way of knowing that. In fact, there have been several instances in recent memory of friends/family being left out of the loop on plans, because they weren’t receiving RCS for some unknown reason, which meant they missed an entire group text conversation.
My father’s phone is particularly bad about it. It’s an iPhone, and he’ll just randomly stop receiving RCS until he toggles his cell service off and back on again via airplane mode. But who the hell would think to toggle airplane mode, when there is no indication that they aren’t receiving something? It’s a catch-22, where he doesn’t get any notification that something is wrong, because he doesn’t know he’s supposed to be getting notifications at all. There’s no way for him to prove a negative, so the only way for him to reliably get RCS is to toggle airplane mode every few minutes. Which isn’t really a feasible use-case scenario.
I wouldn’t trust RCS even through a VPN. Its still going through carriers AFAIK, which means they get it in plain text.
Just like before, I will keep it disabled.
AFAIK there’s no free as in freedom implementation and only works with propriety apps and I read google messages refuses to use RCS on rooted/unofficial systems. So that’s a big no.
Another big problem is, people who don’t have mobile internet and unknowingly have it enabled (aka most people who still use SMS) won’t get the message until they connect to WiFi or some time passes.
Now its not just the carriers now get your texts unencrypted, apple and google do too.
Use matrix, XMPP, or simpleX if you want something private.
Better than SMS I suppose but still pointless for my needs. No encryption = no usage from me
I see no point in RCS or Signal if there is still client side scanning through spy apps installed by Apple or Google or even IA capabilities on the devices.
I’ve heard stories about Apple AI being able to summarize Signal chats even when you deny the AI access to Signal. If anyone knows, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Edit So I think there is no point in a foss encrypted messenger app unless both parties will be on a foss OS.
I wasn’t able to reproduce what you described about apple ai and signal.
The foss-ness of an operating system or application doesn’t matter for the purposes of encrypted messaging, what matters is if the user has the application and operating system configured appropriately and understands how to not give up secrets.
